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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 8, 2011 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Well, as those of you that were "there" (one of those moments you'll never forget, eh?) when I pseudo-retired can attest, this was the last DEAD item I purchased, but never got around to...til this past week while on a Road Trip of a different sort, with one son that loves the acoustic DEAD, that noticed this was "new" and "unused" on the Wall of DEAD. So, we listened all the way thru for the first time. His view and mine:

Somewhat disappointed. Sound quality--great; song selections so-so. He was very disappointed, actually. Spoiled by the earlier May shows that have provided many of his "best of acoustic" CDs, methinks...?

His all time fav electric tune, StSt, also didn't sit well; the two "stand alones", into NFA, in a half hearted fashion we both agreed, just didn't measure up. One of the three has one of the most extended pre-closing jams, but still, some awkward transitions, and not up to his/mine fav of 70 from 19 Sept.

We also decided that Jerry is not up to par, voice wise, on at least some of the tunes. Best by far were those with NRPS pers sitting in, and frankly, Boob and Phil did okay on harmonies, but we decided 1) Jerry was getting over a cold, or 2) late show tunes revealed he'd worn out the voice box. Not that they were BAD, just not top notch, which is what we were expecting. However, we actually listened to "early" vs "late" songs, and his voice failings were not precisely correlated. Further statistical analyses were halted at this pt.

Wife commented at one point that tunes by Pig actually sounded okay, relatively speaking, but we neglected all further "back seat" input.

Anyhow, this is coming off more negatively than meant to be; bottom line was we/he concluded he'd return to other earlier May shows for his acoustic tunes, and wouldn't select any from these fours disks. I found portions I really liked, but overall, had to agree that it wasn't the Blockbuster I'd been expecting.

Anyone else have this sort of "let down"? Discussed in detail last summer and I missed it?

As for Cricket comments of late, we found Aussie Football more to our liking, and noted a championship game of sorts on ESPN soon...at least it was accessible when we lived there, whereas Cricket req'd modest interest/attn on our parts, which is the last thing we need while watching sports (ie, our "fault", but there you have it).

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Apr 8, 2011 2:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Hi Tell. It's just not exciting material imo. I deleted the show after one listen a number of years back, found it to be one of the least appealing of the month. I bought the release cause they all sound so much better than the circulating copies (and because I'm one of those suckers who just can't type his credit card number in quick enough whenever something new comes out). Well, the quality was better, but I still didn't enjoy the tunes. Flat for the most part.

I was quite surprised at all the jubilation when they announced the release of this gig.

And Elbow, I think Pow Wow is a flat release as well. One and done for me. What do we get, an hour of that Lovelight crap? Some of the other tunes are good though, including Doin That Rag > Friend > China Cat (actually love that suite). Would have much preferred 05/31 (if intact in the vault).

And, on a more cheerful note, I absolutely love a number of these Road Trips, including, but not limited to, the 68, 71, and 79 releases. That stuff gets as much play as anything I have.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 8, 2011 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Well, I guess so far the "nays" (not in a really bad way, but like you said, just a little "flat") have it...and, it makes sense from what we already knew.

Like you, though, I was expecting it to be much better as an official release, but not because there was any real, obvious problem with what I had already...IE, it was my unexamined preconception that did me in, ya know?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 8, 2011 4:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

I think you are all ridiculously jaded!

The Dark Star> St. Stephen> Eleven suite from the Big Rock Pow Wow is dynamite! It blows away all the muddy sounding music from '69 in circulation!

And while the acoustic sets on 5/15/70 might fall a cunt hair short of the best from that month/year, we are extremely lucky to have this music in vault remastered sound quality.

I listened to Roat Trips IV/1 today and it ripped my face off. I've got III/3 spinning now and I can't wait for more music from this era to be released!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2011 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

That's why I am here; just like growing up in Cal and landing in Maine ("great coast!" "Great forests" blah, blah, blah, blah....NOT).

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Apr 8, 2011 4:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Haha. Thought you might disagree, Cliff.

We agree on 04/08/72 though!! Perfection!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 8, 2011 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Yeah it is kind of unfortunate that the one show starts ends with Lovelight and the second show starts with the same song.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 8, 2011 4:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Larry, youve been spending too much time in the lab :)

They put two complete shows fom 1969 in one release, and you are complaining?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 9, 2011 4:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Not complaining, Dennis. It is unfortunate for me since I tend to listen off of my computer and ipod more so than the discs therefore Lovelight from Disc 1 runs right into Lovelight from Disc 2.

I agree that the sound is better, but for some reason, a lot of shows in 1969 don't have that tight sound they had in 1968 into the Fillmore West run in Feb/March. I thought it was the muddy sound of many of the boards, however this release is crystal clear, and to me the band at times seems a little sloppy. Like i said, i will give it another shot at some point as it might have been that unlike 5-15-70, where i went in with appropriate expectations and got exactly what i thought it would, my expectations were too high for Pow Wow.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Apr 8, 2011 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Hey Will- I'll concede that 5/15 doesn't quite match up to Harpur, Alfred, and some of the other bits of music we have from a couple of weeks earlier (though in all fairness, many believe Harpur is a Top 10/Top 5 all time show). But to answer your question, I certainly can't say I was "let down" in any way, as I think the east coast tour of May 1970 is one of the band's very best outings ever, and I'm always excited to get my grubby paws on anything from this period, even if its just a sonic upgrade. This release has stayed in pretty frequent rotation with me since in came out last summer.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2011 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Yeah, I think that's all it is..."jaded" by those, as CLIFF noted, so no biggie.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Apr 9, 2011 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

LOL...As for Jerry's singing, I know we've kicked around the rise and fall of the Dead's vocal abilities numerous times in the past (the consensus being the peak was both brief and not especially high to begin with)...maybe go listen to a couple of shows from "The Persian Years" before getting back to this one, and when you return Jerry's voice on 5/15 will sound like pure honey...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 8, 2011 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

I don't listen to it as much as i thought i would when it came out. Not sure why as I do enjoy the shows, however i agree that the acoustic sets from 5-15 are no match for 5-1, 5-2 or 9-20, but they never really were, right? So i didn't go in with that expectation. Of the RTs that i have purchased, i probably listen to them in this order. I'll use the shows rather than the volume and numbers.

2-14-68
11-15-71
June '74
5-15-70
August '71
October '78
Pow Wow '69 (i listened twice and it didn't work for me. i will try again at some point)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 8, 2011 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Guess so...we knew it; but was thinking there were other acoustic #s they left out? Right? Have to go look...if it's complete, then there you have it.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 8, 2011 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

for some reason, i seem to think that if you got the bonus disc you got every song from both shows, except 4 and one of those was a repeat. I think there was one acoustic song that we didn't have before. Of course i am probably not remembering this properly.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 8, 2011 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Far be it from us to do any work, and if the memory isn't serving us properly, well, so be it.

;)

Yup, those early May shows are just great, and I was somehow always thinking of 14/15 as akin to the famed Feb shows (a la Bear's Choice, etc), as being two of the "big ones" for the yr, but as you said, shudda know'd better.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 8, 2011 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

EARLY SHOW-
RT Vol.3 #3 has
St. Stephen>TOO

according to Deadbase the full sequence was:
St. Stephen>Cryptical>Drums>TOO>Cryptical

LATE SHOW-
RT Vol.3 #3 has a Deep Elem that is not listed on Deadbase
and omits the Candyman that Deadbase shows between UJB and She's Mine

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 8, 2011 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

disappointed? maybe a bit

I find I listen to the "Bonus Disc" more than the actual "Road Trips" discs. Disc 2 is a pretty enjoyable listen though.

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Poster: polarized blue Date: Apr 8, 2011 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

I just listened to the bonus disk and disk 3 this week as well. I like the release quite a bit. I had high expectations for the sound mix to be good, and I was happy about that. Some of the bonus disk is from Kirkwood, MO the night before, May 14, 1970. That segment with New Speedway Boogie, is one of the highlights of the release for me. I can kind of see what you mean about it perhaps lacking the entire Wow!!! factor, but it is after all, the Good Old Grateful Dead, they were human and some shows absolutely kicked ass and some other shows were getting the business done and doing it better than most bands could on a good night. I think this falls in the middle of the road for me, but I like that. It's comforting. One of the reasons I wanted to buy this show was because I had it on cassette as well, from about 94 or 95, something like that. And the tapes also had 5-14 as filler - the same segment with New Speedway Boogie, St Stephen and Not Fade Away. My tape sounded real good, a soundboard, and I used to play it a lot, so when I heard it was going to be all cleaned up for release, I was rubbing my hands together with a greedy smile on my face :-) So I guess you can count me as a person who likes the release, it's not my favorite of all, but good for my taste.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2011 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

Yeah, that NSB is good...

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Poster: user unknown Date: Apr 8, 2011 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

"it's not my favorite of all, but good for my taste. "

as the young techies say, "+1"

I ordered "early" to get the Bonus and can't say that I am disappointed overall

This post was modified by user unknown on 2011-04-08 23:25:54

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 9, 2011 1:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: RTs...#? Who knows...May, 1970

It was an especially good deal, I think, to get four disks for ~ $20+ bucks, and though purists will gag, I quickly dismantled my cardboard "death trap for CDs" and placed them lovingly (some cutting, no pasting) into a four disk holder so it sits nicely among all my DEAD CDs on the "wall" in the living room.

I am happy to have it there.